[Imc-oceania] Darwin Indy
Gary Meyerhoff
garywmeyerhoff at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 13 04:49:04 UTC 2005
Guys
I have been busy with the smoke-in and tropical
cyclone Ingrid is coming.
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDD65011.shtml
So, Mick Lambe has "expelled" people from the Darwin
IMC collective. That's the first I knew about it, I
wasn't at a meeting where this was discussed.
that must've been when he verbally abused me at the
last DIM collective meeting and wouldn't let me
participate.
DIM has one policy... what Mick Lambe says goes... any
disagreement gets you screamed at...
The DIM collective has never been functioning... I
have said this before.
A few of us will be lodging a proposal to have Darwin
Indy disaffiliated during the next week.
If Darwin Indy is allowed to continue then I think the
whole Indy network is a joke.
How many other Indy's are run by despots?
Gary M
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> 1. Re: Darwin Indymedia (Shayne O'Neill)
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> 3. Re: Darwin Indymedia (Shayne O'Neill)
> 4. Re: Darwin Indymedia (mick lambe PARIAH)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:13:40 +0800 (WST)
> From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> To: allanboyd <allanboyd at optusnet.com.au>
> cc: imc-oceania at lists.cat.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Imc-oceania] Darwin Indymedia
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> I dont see the point. Tito states pretty clearly in
> point 3 he wants to
> see darwin imc destroyed , and he quite clearly is
> trying to imply that
> darwin is not a functional collective. I'd on the
> contrary argue that
> darwin appear to be *more* functional than many of
> the other collectives.
>
> We've seen the mess when oceania intervenes in
> broken collectives, why on
> earth would we want to intervene in a perfectly
> functional collective.
>
> Imagine if one of the perth nazis started this shit
> up on us, the whole
> network would not hesitate to leap to our defence. I
> fail to see how
> darwin are any diferent.
>
> Here is what I would like to know: Why was tito's
> mail allowed onto the
> list when he is not a member of a collective, but
> rather aparently part of
> a group hell bent on destroying darwin, and by
> extension, the rest of us.
>
> The smear campaign against mick has gone too far.
> Its about time we stood
> by him against these bullies.
>
> --
> I wish a robot would get elected president. That
> way, when he came to
> town, we could all take a shot at him and not feel
> too bad.
> - Jack Handey (And now, Deep thoughts)
>
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, allanboyd wrote:
>
> > I agree actually, that Tito's concerns weren't
> addressed properly...
> > I have my own concerns [perhaps unfounded] about
> Darwin Indy, and hope we=
> can discuss this matter further on this list.
> >
> > _al
> >
> >
> >
> > Tito Card wrote:
> > Thank you for comment's Shayne but you have
> failed to address any o=
> f the questions that I posed.
> > =A0
> > I=A0dont wish to appear=A0acrimonious=A0but I
> didn't expect anything from=
> Perth Indymedia other than unqualified support for
> the current "supposed"
> > collective.
> > =A0This I arrived at following your previous
> claims of "defamation and st=
> alking" when=A0similar issue's=A0have been=A0raised
> on Perth Indymedia.
> >
>
http://perth.indymedia.org/index.php?action=3Dnewswire&parentview=3D9380
> > =A0
> > Your advise regarding contacting the Darwin
> Collective was dealt with in =
> my first email in the second sentance where I wrote
> "I have in the past
> > emailed the supposed "collective" and they have
> not responded."
> > =A0
> > So if anyone else is able to offer any advise to
> the specific questions I=
> posed or any advise on how to pursue dissafiliation
> of Darwin
> > Indymedia, then that would be great.
> > =A0
> > Thanks
> > =A0
> > Tito
> > =A0
> > The questions again:-
> > =A0
> > 1) How many members does a collective have to have
> to be considered viabl=
> e?
> >
> > 2) Does Indymedia have a policy on the deletion of
> innocuous comments wit=
> hout them being discussed on the organising list?
> >
> > 3) If another collective is formed within the same
> region where a Indymed=
> ia site serves but does not have a functioning
> collective, what if any
> > procedure exists so that the effective workable
> collective can take on th=
> e stewardship of the site, domain etc?
> > =A0
> > =A0
> >
> > =A0
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> From: and <and at axxs.org>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-oceania] Darwin Indymedia
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:26:19 +0530
> To: Tito Card <theniwenthome at yahoo.com.au>
>
> Hi Tito,
> you might need to give a little more background as
> to your concerns
> with darwin indymedia. Some members of the oceania
> indymedia network
> have previously expressed concerned as to the
> internal processes
> involved in the darwin indymedia collective but
> actual complaints are
> rare.
> If you could fill us in an give us actual details
> that might help.
> It is quite problematic if the collective is not
> responding to your
> emails.
> Is there another darwin indymedia list other than
> this one?
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-darwin
> and there are no posts for march and only 1 for feb
> and none for dec or
> jan.
> I think it is a little ridiculous to assume we
> should stand by other
> indymedias just cause they are indymedias. If there
> is a problem with
> darwin lets hear about it, if the accusations are
> not true then fine
> but lets not just dismiss people concerns because
> they are taking issue
> with how an IMC is run. I'm not prepared to blindly
> stand by anyone.
> That said Tito if you are going to post emails here
> requesting the
> dissafiliation of an IMC you had better produce real
> evidence of
> breaches of the principals of unity and I would also
> not recommend that
> it be your first means of approaching the problem.
> >
> > 1) How many members does a collective have to
> have to be considered
> viable?
> It's quite arbitrary, 3-4 people doing a lot of work
> might mean more
> than 10 who don't do much.
> >
> > 2) Does Indymedia have a policy on the deletion
> of innocuous comments
> without them being discussed on the organising list?
> It often depends on the IMC but the decisions should
> be recorded, there
> is not always a need for discussion.
> >
> > 3) If another collective is formed within the
> same region where a
> Indymedia site serves but does not have a
> functioning collective, what
> if any procedure exists so that the effective
> workable collective can
> take on the stewardship of the site, domain etc?
> This has never been done. One group would have to be
> disaffiliated and
> the new group would have to go through the new-imc
> process.
>
> I don't know if that helps any more.
> And.
> melb indy
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:52:20 +0800 (WST)
> From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> To: and <and at axxs.org>
> cc: imc-oceania at lists.cat.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Imc-oceania] Darwin Indymedia
>
>
> > > 1) How many members does a collective have to
> have to be considered
> > viable?
> > It's quite arbitrary, 3-4 people doing a lot of
> work might mean more
> > than 10 who don't do much.
>
> I think darwin is fine in that respect. They have a
> well maintained busy
> newswire. They do a newspaper. One would get the
> impression little goes on
> in perth based on the imc-perth email list. This
> would ignore that the
> website is actively maintained, we have a radio
> show, a huge outreach with
> all the work our members do with local activist
> crews and the like. Like
> wise with darwin. They have a newspaper , and are
> heavily involved with
> many groups, in particular indig mob like one mile
> creek community etc.
>
> Judging on an email list is entirely arbitrary.
>
> Keep in mind that many imcs will work more face to
> face than online.
> This is perfectly acceptable. That a collective
> *must* use an email list
> has never been a requirement of anything and
> attempts to force this
> usually end up with wierd email lists that seem more
> there to apease wider
> network than build internal cohesion.
>
> > > 2) Does Indymedia have a policy on the deletion
> of innocuous comments
> > without them being discussed on the organising
> list?
> > It often depends on the IMC but the decisions
> should be recorded, there
> > is not always a need for discussion.
>
> This is entirely at the local groups discretion. All
> the network asks is
> that imcs have at least some semblance of open
> publishing and that the
> newswire not be hijacked by nazis , trolls or
> whatever.
>
> > > 3) If another collective is formed within the
> same region where a
> > Indymedia site serves but does not have a
> functioning collective, what
> > if any procedure exists so that the effective
> workable collective can
> > take on the stewardship of the site, domain etc?
> > This has never been done. One group would have to
> be disaffiliated and
> > the new group would have to go through the new-imc
> process.
>
> Andrew, you assert that indymedias should not stand
> by each other. I am
> miffed at this. We are part of a network and that
> means we have
> responsibilities to defend each other. There have
> often been times when
> I've been quite pissed off at other oceania
> collectives for there internal
> affairs , but I've decided its not in the networks
> interest to get
> involved. Except for the obvious exception, this is
> the best way.
>
> One has to have blinkers over there eyes to see that
> darwin indymedia has
> been the target of a concerted right wing troll
> campaign. How dare we
> critisize them for taking control over there own
> space. The only
> alternative to that is what became of brisbane.
>
> We wouldnt let our own IMCs suffer that, why should
> we expect darwin.
>
> I implore you and_ to research the people involved
> here and not fall
> for this deception.
>
> Aboriginal activists anywhere in the country have to
> suffer this sort of
> shit merely because of the white trash that stalks
> them. Lets not enable
> this sort of behavior.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:16:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-oceania] Darwin Indymedia
> To: and <and at axxs.org>, imc oceania
> <imc-oceania at lists.cat.org.au>
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> Hi all
>
> Bit busy - haven't read all the 'darwin' posts yet.
>
> NAP posted an article describing the NT Greens as
> Nazis promoting slave labour.
>
>
http://darwin.indymedia.org/?action=newswire&parentview=3652
>
>
> It happens to be written by two former DIM
> collective members, who were expelled for (amongst
> other things) attacking activists and activist
> groups here and creating disunity - often
> anonymously.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Such a view attracted criticism from people - such
> as myself - who were jaiiled for our part in the ET
> campaigns.
>
> So NAP decided to cause DIM problems
>
>
> ______________________
>
>
> We are as open to scrutiny as is wise here.
>
>
> And NAP paste up about 90% of the disruptive and
> insulting posts on darwin.indymedia - they always
> have.
>
> We're not wasting time on a few people with personal
> grudges who are not trusted or respected by the
> collective.
>
>
>
> We featured this NAP piece recently.
>
>
http://darwin.indymedia.org/index.php?action=default&featureview=58
>
>
>
> Ethics
>
> Something this vindictive, patronising attack on the
> DIM collective - lacks entirely.
>
>
>
> - regards
>
> mick - n DIM mob
> ______________
>
>
>
>
>
>
> mick lambe - coordinator: PARIAH - BETTER A PARIAH -
> THAN A LIAR
> People Against Racism In Aboriginal Homelands -
> Northern Territory Australia
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> <DIV>Hi all</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Bit busy - haven't read all the 'darwin' posts
> yet.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>NAP posted an article describing the NT Greens
> as Nazis promoting slave labour.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><A
>
href="http://darwin.indymedia.org/?action=newswire&parentview=3652">http://darwin.indymedia.org/?action=newswire&parentview=3652</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>It happens to be written by two former DIM
> collective members, who were expelled for (amongst
> other things) attacking activists and activist
> groups here and creating disunity - often
> anonymously.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>--------------------------------------</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Such a view attracted criticism from people -
> such as myself - who were jaiiled for our part in
> the ET campaigns. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>So NAP decided to cause DIM problems</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>______________________</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>We are as open to scrutiny as is wise
> here.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>And NAP paste up about 90% of the
> disruptive and insulting posts on darwin.indymedia -
> they always have.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>We're not wasting time on a few
> people with personal grudges who are not trusted or
> respected by the collective.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>We featured this NAP piece recently. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><A
>
href="http://darwin.indymedia.org/index.php?action=default&featureview=58">http://darwin.indymedia.org/index.php?action=default&featureview=58</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Ethics</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Something this vindictive, patronising attack
> on the DIM collective - lacks entirely.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>- regards</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>mick - n DIM mob</DIV>
> <DIV>______________</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV><BR><BR><DIV>
> <P align=center><FONT face=Arial size=2>mick lambe -
> coordinator: <B>PARIAH - BETTER A PARIAH - THAN A
> LIAR</B><BR><A
> href="http://country-liberal-party.com/"><FONT
> color=#ff0000>People Against Racism In Aboriginal
> Homelands - Northern Territory
> Australia</FONT></A><FONT color=#000000>
> http://country-liberal-party.com/</FONT></FONT><FONT
> face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
> face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Archived by the
> <STRONG>National Library of Australia</STRONG> for
> preservation as a site of <EM>national
> significance</EM> and <EM>lasting cultural
> value</EM><STRONG>. </STRONG><BR><A
>
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pariahnt">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pariahnt
> - (spam free zone)</A><BR>We support <FONT
> color=#006633><B>darwin.indymedia</B></FONT> @
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